Liz Cochran
Episode 76

Narrator: Welcome friends to another episode of The Story & Experience Podcast. Join your host, Japhet De Oliveira with his guest today, and discover the moments that shape us, our families and communities.

Japhet De Oliveira: Well, friends, welcome to another episode of The Story & Experience Podcast. I am delighted with my guest today and that I'm here in-person at Adventist Health Glendale. So now that will narrow down the list for you as to who it could be, and I'll let you work it out in a second.

For anybody who's brand new to this podcast, the way it works is that we have 100 questions and they become more complex as we get closer to 100. They're about stories and experiences that shape the person into the leader they are today. I'm looking at the leader right now in front of me. I'm going to begin straight away with question number one, which is, what's your name and does anybody need any help with pronouncing it?

Liz Cochran: My name is Liz Cochran. It's Elizabeth, but we go by Liz.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah.

Liz Cochran: I do go by Liz. I'm the operations executive here at Adventist Health Glendale.

Japhet De Oliveira: Fantastic. Everybody's good with your name?

Liz Cochran: Yes, yes. Mm-hmm.

Japhet De Oliveira: Oh, that's great. That's great. Do you correct people and tell them, hey, it should be Liz instead of Elizabeth?

Liz Cochran: Often no, because most people automatically just call me Liz-

Japhet De Oliveira: They just know.

Liz Cochran: But the only person that calls me Elizabeth is my husband, and that's usually when he's not happy. Nobody else does.

Japhet De Oliveira: That's good to know. So, you mentioned operations. Could you share, what does that mean?

Liz Cochran: So, operations executive for the Adventist Health system is composed of primarily all the responsibilities of the hospital as it relates to support services, service lines, as well as some of the other non, I would call them, patient care areas. That would be construction and real estate and some of the parking areas, security, those are things that are not direct patient care, but nevertheless are needed to support the hospital. The majority of the work though is really around the service lines. Your perioperative neurosurgery, your neurosciences, your orthopedics. It's broad, it's a very broad area.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah, that's good. That's good. So, it keeps the entire hospital moving forward.

Liz Cochran: Yes.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah.

Liz Cochran: Yes, yes.

Japhet De Oliveira: All right, that's fantastic. How long have you been in your current role?

Liz Cochran: Almost four years now.

Japhet De Oliveira: Okay, all right. Hey, that's fantastic. So, here's an easy one. As you know, the first 10 are pretty easy. When you wake up in the morning and you have your first drink of the day, is it coffee, tea, water, little green smoothie?

Liz Cochran: No, it's water.

Japhet De Oliveira: Oh, yeah?

Liz Cochran: I've made it a habit to have two glasses of water when I wake up.

Japhet De Oliveira: Oh, okay, so I had this question with Daniel Wolcott, and I could have sworn he said to me that he did 32 ounces in one go.

Liz Cochran: Oh, wow.

Japhet De Oliveira: I got it wrong, because I tried it, I was like, "That's very hard to do." So two glasses, water. Cold water, tap water?

Liz Cochran: It's cold water, and it's because you wake up and what I've realized is that from not having fluid through the night, you're a little bit dehydrated. So, it's actually something that helps me feel pretty good in the morning when I have water, even before coffee.

Japhet De Oliveira: That's fantastic. I'm doing the same right now and I like it. Good. Tell us where were you born?

Liz Cochran: Los Angeles, California.

Japhet De Oliveira: All right, so this is your home territory.

Liz Cochran: Yes, third generation Californian, and been in Los Angeles all my life.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah?

Liz Cochran: Yeah.

Japhet De Oliveira: When you were a little child, what did you imagine you were going to grow up to be? Operations executive?

Liz Cochran: Actually, no, a surgeon.

Japhet De Oliveira: A surgeon, really? Okay.

Liz Cochran: Yeah.

Japhet De Oliveira: What kind of surgeon did you want to be?

Liz Cochran: At the time, I was just thinking about just being a surgeon.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah.

Liz Cochran: It was really more just general surgery, it wasn't specialized at any point. But yeah, I still see that, but obviously that's not going to happen anymore, and I'm actually glad I didn't do it.

Japhet De Oliveira: Hey, that's fantastic. Well, you're in healthcare still, so that's a connection side there. If people were to describe your personality, Liz, would they say that you were an introvert, extrovert, and would you agree?

Liz Cochran: They would say I was extroverted, and I would agree.

Japhet De Oliveira: You would agree?

Liz Cochran: Yes.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah, I can tell. I can tell. That's good. Then are you an early riser or a late night owl?

Liz Cochran: Early riser.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah?

Liz Cochran: Yeah.

Japhet De Oliveira: What's early for you?

Liz Cochran: Yesterday was 4:30 in the morning.

Japhet De Oliveira: Oh, yeah?

Liz Cochran: Yeah, today was a little after 5:30. So yes, early.

Japhet De Oliveira: Early for sure. Hey, that's good. So when you woke up this morning, a first thought that went through your mind?

Liz Cochran: I'm glad I have another day to get it right or start over. But the appreciation and gratitude of we have a dog. We had two up until recently, and so having him around is always very comforting.

Japhet De Oliveira: Oh, yeah.

Liz Cochran: Knowing what I'm going to do for the rest of the day and what that means, because that's very important to me.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah.

Liz Cochran: But also looking forward to coming home tonight and spending time with my husband, having dinner, going for a walk with the dog. Very simple stuff, nothing big.

Japhet De Oliveira: Hey, that's good. Those are good routines to do. So your day, do you map your entire day out when you wake up?

Liz Cochran: It's been mapped out the day before.

Japhet De Oliveira: And you know it already. All right, you're a planner. Great.

Liz Cochran: Yeah, I'm a planner.

Japhet De Oliveira: All right then, let's see here. A leadership question for you. Are you a backseat driver?

Liz Cochran: When you say backseat driver, do you mean controlling?

Japhet De Oliveira: Hmm. That could be perceived by some.

Liz Cochran: Because depending on what that means, I'll answer it different, right?

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah, well, I'll let you define it.

Liz Cochran: So backseat driver, in a sense of being a true backseat driver in a car, no, I'm not. But if you're asking do I ... listen, whenever something comes up, I'm a problem solver. So, as soon as something comes up and it's something that I think of that we could be doing different or we could do better, yeah, I'll chime in on that.

Yes, one could even say at times sounding like it's controlling, but at the same time, it's to really look at have we really considered everything and all of our options as we're doing what we're doing, or are we just going to move forward because somebody thinks it's a good idea?

Japhet De Oliveira: Right.

Liz Cochran: So yeah, it just varies.

Japhet De Oliveira: It does, it does. I like that. I like the smile that you have with that. That's good, that's good. All right, hey, we're done now with the very simple questions, so now it's your turn to pick between 11 and 100. Where would you like to go?

Liz Cochran: Huh. Let's go with 65.

Japhet De Oliveira: 65. All right, let's scroll down to 65. Here we go. Share one word that you could use to describe your past, then could you unpack that one word? Hmm.

Liz Cochran: Lots of chapters.

Japhet De Oliveira: Ooh, okay. All right, so chapters. Great. Unpack that a little bit.

Liz Cochran: Well, I was lucky that I had grandparents when I was young. Actually, I had them until I was 49, so that was nice. So, they were a big influence when I was young, family as well. Parents, uncles, extended family, lots of cousins. My mom comes from a family of 12, so I had a lot of cousins. Still today we're all the same age at this point, but it's really nice to have that.

Then school. School was important and big at the time, because you're making friends and you're spending time with others and seeing how they do things, so those are chapters that come to mind for me really easily. Then the rest are really more about, what are you going to be? What are you going to do? Who are your friends? Who will you be? Those are chapters.

I had the experience of having children very young, and so in one respect, that's actually a nice chapter where you kind of do what you're done and now they grow up with you, but it also takes away some things, because you're raising children. Then went to school and graduate school at a late age. I'm glad I did it, because I had the time to devote to it and spend time growing the career and another chapter.

Japhet De Oliveira: That's great.

Liz Cochran: It just kept going.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah.

Liz Cochran: As time moved on, it was get another degree and use that, and how was I going to use that? But always seeing that there was always opportunity to learn more and do more was also a big part of all of those chapters.

Japhet De Oliveira: I know this is very early in our conversation, but if I were to add an A to that, so 65 A, what would you call the current title of your current chapter?

Liz Cochran: It's time for fun.

Japhet De Oliveira: All right, that's good. That's good.

Liz Cochran: I think where that comes from is you spending a lot of time already doing and building who and what you're going to do, and when you're happy at it, listen, I'm very lucky. I get to not only do something that I thoroughly enjoy, but look forward to doing, but I don't see an end to it anytime soon.

I do, in many respects, think retirement's one of those things that everybody ascribes to and go, "I just can't wait." I don't see it that way. I'm actually thinking, "What else can I do and what more can I learn?"

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah, that's fantastic. Love that, love that. All right, after 65, where would you like to go next?

Liz Cochran: Let's go to 44.

Japhet De Oliveira: 44. All right, what is something that you are proud to have created?

Liz Cochran: I would have to say the legacy of those that I have supervised and their work and leading them to grow in their careers. A number of them are in bigger positions and have learned a lot, and I have to say, I really enjoy that mentoring.

Japhet De Oliveira: That's fantastic. Hey, that's great. That's great. All right, after 44?

Liz Cochran: 48.

Japhet De Oliveira: 48. Tell us about your best personality trait.

Liz Cochran: Hmm. Do I get to pick one? Only one?

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah, I like that. That's good.

Liz Cochran: Loyal.

Japhet De Oliveira: Loyal. That's good, that's good. Where did you learn that?

Liz Cochran: I think probably from watching and growing up and seeing things that did not work well when you were not loyal, but I also think it has to do with integrity and I tie the two together. So when you have integrity and you are loyal, everything else follows with your relationships, with those that are important to you, as well as your commitments.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah, I like that bond between integrity and loyalty. It's good. Yeah, fantastic. All right, where next? That was 44.

Liz Cochran: That was 44, so let's go to 14.

Japhet De Oliveira: 14. All right, here we go.

Liz Cochran: There's a four theme in this.

Japhet De Oliveira: Just picking it up. Tell us about what you enjoy doing outside of work.

Liz Cochran: Spending time with the grandchildren and the family, spending time at home. We've built a home environment that is very comfortable for us, and we enjoy it, almost to the point where we don't go anywhere sometimes. I told my husband the other day, "We got to get out of here."

But taking trips and spending time with the family, but also alone time with my husband, and reflecting and looking forward to what else we're going to be doing. I always say, it's exciting just the planning of a trip.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yes.

Liz Cochran: Those types of things, it's exciting, but also thinking about what we're doing next and future items of concern, as well as the fun stuff.

Japhet De Oliveira: That's great. Those are great. Good. All right, that was 14. Where next, up or down?

Liz Cochran: Let's go to 12.

Japhet De Oliveira: 12. What is your favorite movie or book of all time, and why?

Liz Cochran: The Godfather.

Japhet De Oliveira: One, two or three?

Liz Cochran: I would say two.

Japhet De Oliveira: Two? Yeah, okay.

Liz Cochran: Mm-hmm. Two is the best.

Japhet De Oliveira: Okay, now why?

Liz Cochran: Now that we're asking this-

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Liz Cochran: I think what it is it ties to loyalty of family. There's that theme, right? Not because of the violence or because of what it stood for-

Japhet De Oliveira: Or the ring-

Liz Cochran: Yeah, or the ring. Yeah, it has nothing to do with that, but it just has to do with family. I enjoy obviously the story and understanding why and what happened to create these cultures, if you will. But I think watching it and how they loved one another in a way that was very protective was maybe something that draws me to it.

Japhet De Oliveira: That's really good. That's interesting. I like it, I like it, thank you. That was very quick, there was no hesitation on that. It was like Godfather, right? It's as if you knew the question was coming, all right.

Liz Cochran: I didn't.

Japhet De Oliveira: All right, so I know, this exactly it. It's the great thing about this podcast, that Liz doesn't know what the questions are with the numbers. So, what number next?

Liz Cochran: 92.

Japhet De Oliveira: 92.

Liz Cochran: Let's do 92.

Japhet De Oliveira: Okay, all right, 92. I'm scrolling still to get there. How, Liz, would you like to be remembered? Hmm.

Liz Cochran: I'm going to say I almost prepared for this one, because I think of it.

Japhet De Oliveira: Okay, oh yeah.

Liz Cochran: I think of legacy, I think of how you will be remembered. Hopefully it'll be, yes, there was trials and tribulations with life, as we all have, but came out of it in a way that is I did it my way.

Japhet De Oliveira: Okay, yeah, yeah.

Liz Cochran: Not as a cliche, but more as try to do the right thing, be there for friends and certainly for the family, but also leaving behind the learnings I've had, to make sure others don't follow that same mistake, if you will. Learning from those things, which is why I think I like the mentoring part. So, just being remembered for somebody who cared and wanted to do the right thing.

Japhet De Oliveira: You've mentioned that a couple of times about doing the right thing, and this not one of the questions-

Liz Cochran: Okay.

Japhet De Oliveira: But how would you help somebody know how it is that they're going to do the right thing?

Liz Cochran: Because when nobody's watching, they do it. They do what's right when nobody's watching them do it. So it's not because you get the acknowledgement you did it, it's not even because you get patted on the back for it, because you do it because it's inherent in you and you want to do what's right always.

Japhet De Oliveira: That's beautiful, thank you. Thank you. All right, where next? That was 92.

Liz Cochran: So, let's go to 74.

Japhet De Oliveira: 74. All right, oh, what gives you hope?

Liz Cochran: That there are those that care about making sure that others who are less fortunate and vulnerable are cared for. Healthcare, to me, is really a big part of who I am, and that we can prevent some things from happening. It's sort of equated to you watch things with people in health, and you see if they did some of the right things that are preventative, it could avoid those things that create heartache and suffering.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah.

Liz Cochran: That ability to recognize it and do it, and somebody who's willing to do it and help others is really important.

Japhet De Oliveira: That's fantastic, I like that. Good, good. All right, and I think hope is so essential for us. So, after 74?

Liz Cochran: Let's do four.

Japhet De Oliveira: Four. Oh, actually, the first 10 I've done.

Liz Cochran: Oh, that's right.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah, so it's 11.

Liz Cochran: Okay.

Japhet De Oliveira: Right. A little deceptive with the zero to 100.

Liz Cochran: Hmm. Okay, let's do 81.

Japhet De Oliveira: 81. What is something you've given your absolute best effort towards, and why was it important?

Liz Cochran: Well, I will just pause for a minute, because there are so many things. Always doing your best, but I would say doing my best and being most proud of is raising my two kids.

Japhet De Oliveira: Oh, that's great.

Liz Cochran: Because that was a lot of work.

Japhet De Oliveira: That's great. And still is?

Liz Cochran: And still is, yes.

Japhet De Oliveira: And still is, yeah. Forever, right?

Liz Cochran: It's always there. I tell people when they have young children or even teenagers or those that are going off to college, it never stops, keeps going.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah, now why was that important to you?

Liz Cochran: Because these are human beings that you raise to do and be helpful to humankind, but also so that they're content and happy in who they are. In this case for me, that their path is different and better, and that each generation is better, so that my grandchildren's lives are better, and so forth and so on. So it's that building of the future generation, but it's also making sure that they are happy with who they are.

Japhet De Oliveira: Now as a parent as well, we all have chapters that are more complex than others. What would you say is some advice you could give to young parents who are just struggling and saying, hey, this is how you reset yourself?

Liz Cochran: The one thing you keep reminding yourself is this too will pass, because when the throws of it, it seems like it's overwhelming, and it is, but it does pass and then a new chapter will open and things will be different.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah.

Liz Cochran: The one thing I see often is kids leave and go to college, and when they come back they're very different. They're adults and they are more respectful, and they seem to appreciate what you've done. I think when they're living with you, it's just taken for granted it seems, right? But when they leave and come back, I think they understand. That's because now they've been out there and they see what other families may be going through from their friends, and when they come back they have a different appreciation.

Japhet De Oliveira: It's true, it's true. Growth takes some time. Okay, good. Where next?

Liz Cochran: Let's go to 100.

Japhet De Oliveira: Oh, seriously? Okay, all right, all right.

Liz Cochran: I'm curious.

Japhet De Oliveira: All right, all right.

Liz Cochran: Yeah.

Japhet De Oliveira: All right, well, this is question 100. Tell us about one question that you just don't want to answer.

Liz Cochran: I wouldn't want to answer a question about the current state of where we are in the United States, because I think it's dreadful right now. Yeah, I would stay away from that.

Japhet De Oliveira: Mm-hmm. It's complex.

Liz Cochran: More than that, yeah.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah.

Liz Cochran: Yeah.

Japhet De Oliveira: I think it's complex globally.

Liz Cochran: It is.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah, it seems to be. Yeah.

Liz Cochran: Yeah, the hope would've been that things would've gotten better.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah, I know. I understand, I understand. Hey, thank you for that. In all candor, there's not a lot of people who go to question 100, so yeah, appreciate that. So, now going further down from 100. Where next?

Liz Cochran: Let's do 11.

Japhet De Oliveira: 11, all right. Tell us about, oh, one of the most adventurous foods or meals that you've ever eaten.

Liz Cochran: I'm giggling, because I would always say I would never order, and I certainly would never have a desire to taste escargot.

Japhet De Oliveira: Oh yeah?

Liz Cochran: However-

Japhet De Oliveira: However, however.

Liz Cochran: However, not too long ago, out to dinner with friends and convinced me to just take a bite of it and taste it, and lo and behold, it wasn't that bad.

Japhet De Oliveira: It wasn't that bad.

Liz Cochran: Yeah.

Japhet De Oliveira: Was it not that bad that you thought you'd do this on your own?

Liz Cochran: If there wasn't the pressure to just taste it and try to be ... anyway, I went along and did it and it wasn't bad.

Japhet De Oliveira: You're so brave. Well done, well done. Thank you for taking one for the team.

Liz Cochran: Yeah, but I won't do it again. It just isn't something that appeals to me.

Japhet De Oliveira: No, that's okay. That's good. All right, so that was 11. Where next?

Liz Cochran: Let's do 16.

Japhet De Oliveira: 16. All right, tell us about one of the places that you've traveled and why you want to go back.

Liz Cochran: So, I've been to Paris twice now. I love Italy as well as favorite locations in Europe, but there's so many others. There's something about Paris and the vastness of the history around being able to go to the countryside, as well as the museums. It's just fascinating, there's just never enough time. We spend weeks or so there and you still don't see everything, so we're actually having the conversation of going back.

Japhet De Oliveira: Oh, yeah?

Liz Cochran: Yeah, my husband hasn't seen it yet, so I would love for him to see it and I think he would enjoy it.

Japhet De Oliveira: So, you've been to Paris by yourself many times without your husband?

Liz Cochran: Twice, but friends and family. Always with family and friends. Yeah, it wasn't the first few destinations he wanted to try when he went to Europe for the first few times, so this one, I think, he would enjoy.

Japhet De Oliveira: That's great.

Liz Cochran: It's fascinating.

Japhet De Oliveira: It is.

Liz Cochran: There's just so much to do and there's so much to see, so rich in culture.

Japhet De Oliveira: It is.

Liz Cochran: Not that the others are not, but this one is just fun, and the walking around, it's great.

Japhet De Oliveira: It is, it is. My wife and I are going to go there this year for our anniversary. Yeah, yeah.

Liz Cochran: Oh, fantastic.

Japhet De Oliveira: It's fantastic. Yeah. No, it's a great city. Great city. Good. All right, where next?

Liz Cochran: 91.

Japhet De Oliveira: 91. Okay, describe a time in your life when you learned about forgiveness.

Liz Cochran: Hmm. I would have to say that the true definition of really forgiving someone ... it's one thing to say I forgive you, it's another to really feel it and live it. I'm going to say that that didn't happen until I was an adult, not young. Things that happen to you when you're young, it's kid stuff, right?

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah.

Liz Cochran: You just move on and you keep going. I think that's what's great about that, right?

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah.

Liz Cochran: But as you start to get older, you start to take exception to some of the things that happen. There are some things that you can forgive, but you shouldn't forget, but the true meaning is to be able to do both, I think, move forward. That happened way later in life and had to do with religion and being able to really practice and accept that forgiveness means you really do do that.

Japhet De Oliveira: Wow, wow. It's true. There are some things that seem they're unforgivable, and it really does change you as a person when you get to the stage where you can.

Liz Cochran: But what I've learned is that you can do that and you can create boundaries, and you can say, that's okay, because that's a, well, I'm going to use another little cliche, that's a you problem-

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah.

Liz Cochran: Of whatever it is you do.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah.

Liz Cochran: The other part of that. But you can choose not to be in it anymore.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah.

Liz Cochran: Whether they're family or friends or colleagues, you can just put boundaries and decide you're not going to engage in it.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah, yeah.

Liz Cochran: So it's important, because instead of it being a right and a wrong, it's just sometimes you have to recognize that individuals have reasons they do what they do, it has nothing to do with you.

Japhet De Oliveira: So when this moment took place in your life, if you look back on your life, do you think that you would've responded in the same way as a younger Liz? Or did you need all of your life experiences to reach that point?

Liz Cochran: The life experiences, yeah, for sure.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah, yeah.

Liz Cochran: Right, yeah.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah, yeah. No, I do understand.

Liz Cochran: Yeah, it creates wisdom.

Japhet De Oliveira: We would hope, we would hope. Well, yeah, we would hope for sure. No, I appreciate that. All right, that was 91.

Liz Cochran: Then let's do 95.

Japhet De Oliveira: 95. This is interesting, because you just mentioned 91. Tell us about how you see your faith and life intersecting.

Liz Cochran: I see it intersecting every day. Not because I'm out practicing doing something with a building sitting inside of it-

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah, yeah.

Liz Cochran: It's because of practicing those things that were taught around helping and loving one another. It's not easy, so every day it's a practice, and it's every day that you really start to think about what you're here for, what you're doing, but also what you can do better.

So that gets back to when I wake up in the morning, what could I do different? What am I going to change about what I did yesterday that I won't repeat? Or approaching a problem, how do I want to do it in a way that uses my religion or the foundation of the religion to approach it in a way that the outcome is going to be one that is respectful, one that is caring and gets to the result?

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah, yeah. I agree, I agree. I actually think that they are so entwined, right?

Liz Cochran: Yes.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah.

Liz Cochran: Yes.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah, that's true. Good. All right, well, that was 95.

Liz Cochran: Okay.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah.

Liz Cochran: Wow.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah.

Liz Cochran: Let's do 50.

Japhet De Oliveira: 50, all right.

Liz Cochran: Yeah.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Super, here we go. Share about who has influenced you professionally.

Liz Cochran: Wow, there are so many who have, it's amazing. I was very lucky that as I was up and coming in my career, that individuals saw something that I was capable of doing or had the ability to do, and so they would mentor me.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah.

Liz Cochran: I was very lucky. So many people, to the point where I had one where she said, "We're going to build a hospital. Would you like to lead the design of that?" I knew nothing about anything as it related to construction and or requirements for regulatory and state requirements to do something like that, but I learned it, because she saw something that I could do. That led to really where I am today, because I ended up learning about everything else that everyone had to do operationally.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah, that's fantastic.

Liz Cochran: So, lots of luck with and fortunate ability to have these mentors.

Japhet De Oliveira: Hey, that's great.

Liz Cochran: So not one in particular, but there are many.

Japhet De Oliveira: But you recognize them. Do you have an opportunity to connect back with some of the older mentors?

Liz Cochran: Yes.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah? Okay.

Liz Cochran: Yes, in fact, between coming here and the previous role I was in, which is the COO, the one that I just mentioned had come back to work in a ambulatory care setting and asked if I would come help her as a consultant, and I did. I got to tell her-

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah, yeah.

Liz Cochran: I hadn't seen her face-to-face in some time, but I was able to thank her for giving me that opportunity, because it really opened up so much for me and others, because I was at Children's Hospital in Los Angeles and keep in contact and have lots of friends there, but yeah, same thing.

Japhet De Oliveira: That's fantastic.

Liz Cochran: Yeah, yeah.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah, that's great. That's great. Good, good. Well, we have time for one more. Where would you like to go?

Liz Cochran: How about 15?

Japhet De Oliveira: 15. All right, let's see. Oh, well, what's the one thing that you always misplace?

Liz Cochran: I kind of don't do that. Can you tell?

Japhet De Oliveira: I was going to say.

Liz Cochran: Yeah, I don't.

Japhet De Oliveira: Uh-huh. Uh-huh.

Liz Cochran: I don't misplace, but I do hide things for safekeeping.

Japhet De Oliveira: Okay.

Liz Cochran: Okay? One occasion just happened. I sold my car, I had the pink slip, I put it somewhere safe, and then I couldn't remember where I put it. Then I realized, oh, we have a safe, it has to be in there, and that's where it was. But yeah, for a little while it took a day to figure that out, because it'd been so long since I put it in there. But yeah.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah, sure. That's really good, that's really good. Well, Liz, thank you so much for taking the time to share some of the stories and experiences that shape you into the great leader that you are today and serving at Adventist Health Glendale. We're blessed to be able to have you here. Thank you for all the insights, integrity, absolutely loyalty, and I will never see Godfather in the same way.

Liz Cochran: Well, we watch it annually, I think you should too.

Japhet De Oliveira: Well, we'll have to take you up with that. Hey, I want to encourage everybody who's listening to try and do the same thing. Sit down with a friend, ask some good questions, listen and get to know the stories, experiences that shape them, because it shapes me as well.

Liz Cochran: Well, thank you so much.

Japhet De Oliveira: All right, no worries. God bless everybody. Take care.

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