Lisa Nunes
Episode 27

Narrator:

Welcome friends to another episode of The Story & Experience Podcast. Join your host, Japhet De Oliveira, with his guest today and discover the moments that shape us, our families and communities.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Welcome, friends, to another beautiful episode of The Story & Experience Podcast. I'm very excited about the guest that we have today. It's actually a colleague that I get to work with on a regular basis. If you could see her right now, she's smiling, she's excited, and we're going to begin.

Japhet De Oliveira:

For everybody who's brand new to this podcast, it basically works like this. I have my first 10 questions that I'm going to ask and then after that the guest who's going to introduce herself in a second, she gets to choose numbers between 11 and 100. 100 obviously is the hardest question and it gets progressively difficult, but she gets to go wherever she wants to go with that. It's about stories and experiences that shape us. So without much further ado, let's dive in with the very first one.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Welcome today, and why don't we begin with your name? What is your name?

Lisa Nunes:

Good morning. I'm Lisa Nunes.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Lisa, tell me, does anybody ever slaughter your name or get your name wrong, or do they pronounce it correctly all the time?

Lisa Nunes:

Yeah, a great question. Actually most people don't know how to pronounce it correctly. In grad school they used to call me Nuns all the time, and finally... I'd normally let it pass, but finally somebody asked me, which I love when someone asks, "How do you pronounce it?" I never forget, I started grad school, it was four years, and in the beginning I said, "Nunes, like the newness of a car," and the entire four years people looked at me and said, "Like the newness of the car," but it stuck.

Japhet De Oliveira:

That's genius. I've actually never heard that, and I love that. That's fantastic. Thank you, Lisa. It will stick with me as well, and for everybody else listening as well. That's brilliant.

Japhet De Oliveira:

All right, Lisa, can you share with us what you do for work?

Lisa Nunes:

I get the pleasure of serving at Adventist Health as the executive with the Office of Culture in a group we call Learning and Organizational Development. It's a fancy way of saying how do we build learning and growth opportunities to create environments where people can really come to work and do their best to serve.

Japhet De Oliveira:

That's true. And you have a great team you work with, a really creative team actually, a wonderful, wonderful team. You are responsible for all the executive training as well. It's phenomenal stuff. How long have you been in this current role?

Lisa Nunes:

I hit three years at the end of April, so it's been a little over three years.

Japhet De Oliveira:

OK. All right. Super stuff. Well, I'm glad for you, and glad for the company as well. It's brilliant. Still in the really stuff for the questions here, what is your morning drink of choice? Water? Green liquid smoothie? Coffee? Tea? What kind of a drink to start off the day with?

Lisa Nunes:

I am a coffee girl. I love coffee, and I like lots and lots of creamer, almost a little coffee with my creamer.

Japhet De Oliveira:

OK. All right. Fair enough. Any sweet stuff inside, or just creamer and coffee?

Lisa Nunes:

Oh, it's hazelnut. I love my hazelnut creamer.

Japhet De Oliveira:

All right. All right. That's good. Good. All right. Now where were you born, Lisa?

Lisa Nunes:

I was born in Saigon, Vietnam. I was born there, and I lived there till I was almost five. Then we moved here a little bit before I started kindergarten.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Oh, my. Have you ever been back?

Lisa Nunes:

No. It's actually on my list, for my son and I to go visit in a couple years.

Japhet De Oliveira:

OK. Do you have memories of it?

Lisa Nunes:

Yes. I have very strong memories of it. Some of them seem like dreams, but they're really memories. And of course the culture carries over, because it's been a prominent part of my upbringing.

Japhet De Oliveira:

That's fantastic. That's beautiful. All right. So here's a question about imagination. When you were you a child what did you want to be when you grew up?

Lisa Nunes:

There were many things I wanted to be. I think part of it was a teacher, because I loved helping people learn and grow, so a teacher was a part of it. I wanted to be a flight attendant too, because I thought it was really cool to get on an airplane and see the world and get to learn different cultures and meet different people, until I realized it was real work, and I changed my mind.

Japhet De Oliveira:

I like that. So you've now traveled the world and you're like oh, there's a better way. Yeah. Well, that's good. That's good. That's brilliant.

Japhet De Oliveira:

All right, personality. Tell me what would people say about you, that you were an introvert or an extrovert or-

Lisa Nunes:

I'm definitely and introvert of preference. I'm actually certified from Myers-Briggs, so I've been doing Type Talk for over 20 years, and I'm clearly an introvert. My role I think probably is more extroverted preference, so it can be a little draining, but very invigorating in other areas.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Well you do a really good job-

Lisa Nunes:

Thank you.

Japhet De Oliveira:

... being an introvert who's constantly able to do the extroverted stuff, so it's fantastic.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Are you an early riser or a late night owl?

Lisa Nunes:

I am an early riser. Earlier in my life, I used to be an night owl, when I was in school. But now, being a mom, especially of a teenager, I'm an early riser. I usually get up around 5:00-5:30 and have my coffee and get some work done before everybody else starts tapping the keyboards.

Japhet De Oliveira:

You mean you have your creamer with some coffee.

Lisa Nunes:

I do.

Japhet De Oliveira:

I love it. I love it. That's fantastic. All right. Then what's the first thing you thought about this morning?

Lisa Nunes:

My son actually this morning, because he's having a little bit of a tough time starting high school. So when I woke up this morning my first thought was I'm going to go check in on him, and then I went into prayer.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Beautiful. Love that. Here's a leadership question for you. I mean you lead this area, but here's a leadership question for you. Are you a back seat driver?

Lisa Nunes:

I am not a back seat driver. I like driving. If I'm not driving I like to be a passenger that can coach the driver.

Japhet De Oliveira:

OK. So you're not a back seat driver, but you like to coach the driver?

Lisa Nunes:

From the passenger seat, where there's more proximity.

Japhet De Oliveira:

I like that. That's very good. That was very clever. I'm going to have to write that one down. All right. All right. Hey, first 10 questions are done. Brilliant. Now we're into the extra fun stuff. You get to pick a number, Lisa, from 11 to 100, and where would you like to go? We are excited about this.

Lisa Nunes:

Oh, I don't get to see the number?

Japhet De Oliveira:

No. You just pick a number.

Lisa Nunes:

Oh, wow.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Yeah, I know the beauty of it. I remember though. I'm pretty good at this.

Lisa Nunes:

Let's see. I'm torn between starting simple, yet my competitive side wants to go to the more complex. So let's do softball. How about number 12?

Japhet De Oliveira:

Number 12? All right. What is your favorite movie or book all time and why?

Lisa Nunes:

Oh, this is so easy. Star Wars, hands down. I have been a Star Wars geek since I was seven years old and I stood in line... In the old days, quote old days, they had maybe two or three movie theaters and you had to stand outside, and I stood outside for probably about eight or nine hours because I didn't get there early enough, so I had to wait for three movies to play for me to go in and watch The Empire Strikes Back, so I'm a huge Star Wars fan.

Japhet De Oliveira:

That is dedication. Yes. In the old days, before they had the multi, yes, that's true.

Lisa Nunes:

Yes.

Japhet De Oliveira:

All right. Brilliant. So after 12, where did you want to go next?

Lisa Nunes:

Let's do 28.

Japhet De Oliveira:

28? Brilliant. If you had to give an impromptu 30 minute presentation what topic would it be?

Lisa Nunes:

It would be about servant leadership. For me, one of the greatest quotes that I love is, "A leader is one who knows the way, goes the way, and shows the way." I would spend probably 30 minutes talking about what it means when God calls us to lead. It may look a little differently for me than it could be for people I'm speaking with.

Japhet De Oliveira:

That's true. That's true. It's beautiful. Love that. Brilliant. All right. After 28, where next?

Lisa Nunes:

Let's go to 52.

Japhet De Oliveira:

52? All right. Here we go. Share what motivates you.

Lisa Nunes:

What motivates me? Possibilities, the what ifs. It's a combination of faith, of knowing that there's something bigger than us that God calls us to do things, and then managing that fear with what ifs. I'm energized by what the future holds and unleashing possibilities of the world, of each other, and taking on really complicated things. Nothing jazzes me up more than someone who says, "We can't do it."

Japhet De Oliveira:

That's fantastic. Some people are actually really scared of the what ifs.

Lisa Nunes:

Uh-huh (affirmative).

Japhet De Oliveira:

Yeah. Yeah. So you are the introvert who's actually not scared of the what ifs?

Lisa Nunes:

No. I'm the introvert that likes to pontificate at first about all the possibilities and then go ask people to help me think about it.

Japhet De Oliveira:

That's beautiful. That was fantastic. It was fantastic. All right. So after 52, where next?

Lisa Nunes:

Let's go back down to 19.

Japhet De Oliveira:

19? All right. Here we go. What is your exercise routine?

Lisa Nunes:

My exercise? Well, I had a little bit of an injury about a year ago, so my routine now is modified. I pretty much do speed walking now and I get to listen to my podcasts and some of my worship music while I'm doing my speed walking.

Japhet De Oliveira:

That's great. That's great. That's good. Listening to podcasts and listing to this podcast while you're speed walking, everybody should just absolutely subscribe to-

Lisa Nunes:

Top of my list every day.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Brilliant. Thank you for helping me with that segue. That was fantastic.

Lisa Nunes:

You're welcome.

Japhet De Oliveira:

All right. Where would you like to go next, Lisa?

Lisa Nunes:

Let's do 74.

Japhet De Oliveira:

74? All right. Here we go. What gives you... These are great questions for you. What gives you hope?

Lisa Nunes:

Gosh, I think there's quite a few things. What gives me hope? You know, probably there have been times in my life where hope was not in ample supply. I look back at those times and I think about what gave me hope in those times, those dark times.

Lisa Nunes:

It was knowing this intuitive feeling that I was being carried when I really couldn't walk myself. So knowing that God is always with us, even if we don't feel it, gives me tremendous hope.

Lisa Nunes:

What also gives me hope is when I see wonderful pieces of humanity in small little things. For example, we had the recent fires here and a lot of people lost their homes. We were feeding some of the evacuees, and we had this one woman walk up with her small little child, he had a dollar bill in his hand and she had a 20, and it gets me choked up thinking about it.

Lisa Nunes:

She walked up and she said, "God bless you. Thank you for serving. Here is money." I looked at her and I said, "Well, thank you." She said, "I lost my home." And her son gave me money. He says, "I lost my room." She said, "But we have family and we are blessed, and we want to bless others." So when I see people do that, that gives me tremendous hope.

Japhet De Oliveira:

That's a beautiful life moment, life experience.

Lisa Nunes:

Uh-huh (affirmative).

Japhet De Oliveira:

Yeah. Yeah. It's amazing how the give you hope as you're giving them. That's incredible.

Lisa Nunes:

It is. When you see sometimes people at their hardest and they turn around and they just want to love on you, that inspires me.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Yeah. You're serving them and they're serving you even more.

Lisa Nunes:

Uh-huh (affirmative). Absolutely.

Japhet De Oliveira:

That's incredible. Beautiful. Thank you. All right, where would you like to go next after 74?

Lisa Nunes:

I kind of like these hard ones. Let's do 84.

Japhet De Oliveira:

84? All right. Where do you go to find peace?

Lisa Nunes:

Where do I go to find peace? One is in prayer. Two is in worship music. I find a tremendous amount of peace in music. There are certain worship songs that I just know when I'm having rough days, no matter where I am it lifts me.

Japhet De Oliveira:

I'm with you.

Lisa Nunes:

Then also quiet, fun times with the people I care about, and just having that kind of laugh that just hurts your stomach and you're patting yourself on the knee because something's got to give because your body can't take that much laughter. That gives me peace. Just those quiet moments and just joyful moments give me peace.

Japhet De Oliveira:

There is something about really good laughter, isn't there?

Lisa Nunes:

Uh-huh (affirmative).

Japhet De Oliveira:

I mean just that kind of laughter, it's rare but it's fantastic. I'm with you. Yeah. Yeah. The way you described that, it was really beautiful. It painted an incredible picture. I'm like yes, I like that laughter, where you don't know where your body can give, but it needs to give somewhere. Yeah. I'm with you, Lisa. That's great. That's great. That's a beautiful picture. Thank you.

Japhet De Oliveira:

All right, where do you want to go after 84?

Lisa Nunes:

Let's do 67.

Japhet De Oliveira:

67? All right. What is the best picture you've ever taken and why?

Lisa Nunes:

There was... This is going a little deeper. The last picture I took of my mother. She passed when she was 54, when I was in my 20s, and I didn't know it. I wish I had known at the time that I took it it would be her last picture.

Lisa Nunes:

It was a picture of her and my sister, and they were just doing something silly, but it was... I look back on it later and she was having such fun. She was being her gregarious self. It was the very last picture we took of her, so that is the best one.

Japhet De Oliveira:

That is sacred.

Lisa Nunes:

Uh-huh (affirmative). That's a great word for it, sacred.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Yeah. Beautiful. Beautiful. Yeah. Thanks for sharing that. All right. Where would you like to go next?

Lisa Nunes:

87.

Japhet De Oliveira:

87? When you're under incredible stress what helps to ground you?

Lisa Nunes:

I think a couple of things. When I'm under incredible stress one of the things I've learned through the years is if you run from your feelings it chases you. So one of the remarkable things is we come into this world with all that we need for joy and for peace, and then as we get older our tapes and stuff get in the way, so sometimes our life's work is going back, trying to re-learn what we came into this world with.

Lisa Nunes:

For me, when I'm under a lot of stress what I try to do is stop what I'm doing, be in the moment, and feel my feelings and just sit. Because if you do that... What I've learned so many times, if you do that, if you sit with it and you live in it, it passes. It passes, and on the other side of it is more peace.

Lisa Nunes:

So sitting with my feelings, feeling it, if that means screaming or finding... Not in the office environment, but at home, but finding a place where you can just sit in your feelings and feel it with no judgment, and then typically when you do that you do feel the peace on the other side.

Lisa Nunes:

Sometimes if that takes a little longer, then reaching out to a friend that I love and I trust and that loves me, and listening, and being clear about what I need. Sometimes I just need someone to listen, and knowing where those resources are are great.

Lisa Nunes:

But I found the biggest thing is you just feel your feelings. It's amazing, your body, your mind, your soul, your spirit actually takes care of the rest.

Japhet De Oliveira:

That's actually really good wisdom for anybody who's going through a lot of stress, and I really appreciate that. Do you ever have to... This is not even one of the questions on here. Do you ever have to tell people, "I just need you to listen to this. I don't need any answers." I see you nodding, so... Nobody can... Yeah.

Lisa Nunes:

Yeah. It's a great question, Japhet. One of my loves too is coaching. One of the best pieces of coaching is listening. The heart of coaching is actually you not... It's not about you. It's not about you coming up with the answers. It's about listening to the other person and helping them pull it out of them, pull out the answers out of them, or the big questions from them.

Lisa Nunes:

To do that you just need to pause and listen. So when people come to you and say, "I need you to listen," the art of having the discipline of listening and not solving for them is a really, really hard thing to do, and especially for those of us who are very service and servant oriented.

Lisa Nunes:

We want to help, and help oftentimes is solving the problem. Sometimes the most magnificent and the most helpful thing you could do is just listen without judgment, and sometimes ask them questions that maybe they haven't asked themselves yet. So it's a really, really important thing to do. It's amazing how many friends you make when you really start doing it well, and it is something in short supply I think in general.

Japhet De Oliveira:

It is in short supply. That's brilliant. Thank you for sharing that. It's a great coaching tip.

Japhet De Oliveira:

All right, when next, Lisa?

Lisa Nunes:

97.

Japhet De Oliveira:

97? All right, here we go. Tell us about a time when you did the right thing.

Lisa Nunes:

Gosh, a lot of... Quite a few examples come to mind. I'm trying to pick out the best one to share. I think this is probably more... It's more business oriented.

Japhet De Oliveira:

That's OK. That's good.

Lisa Nunes:

At one point I worked for a leader who was relatively new. It was an HR leader. He had come onboard and he had high aspirations in his career. He also had a hard time saying no to our top leader, whom he reported to.

Lisa Nunes:

So he had been with the company for about six months and it was time for review, and my team, they were an amazing group of people. They really delivered, and one of the big things that we pride ourselves is that we do our job when other people are successful. We were not the team to jump up and get the credit. If anything, we didn't want the credit. We wanted to see other people succeed, and that was reward for us.

Lisa Nunes:

In doing that it kind of hurt the team, because the team was viewed as the flashy team, and therefore a lot of times the recognition didn't come as easily to that team. So when it came time to giving bonuses and reviews it was always a battle for me to be able to highlight with the team because we had done such a good job of giving credit to others.

Lisa Nunes:

So with that backdrop this leader came in and review time came and I advocated for the team. I had some amazing people who sacrificed a lot, that made a significant impact, and the bucket of money was very few and it was left over for my team. I advocated very strongly, and at that point the leader came back to me and said, "The senior team agreed to give you a big increase, but the rest of your team, there wasn't much money left over."

Lisa Nunes:

I came back and I said, "I completely disagree with that." I actually said, "Give me zero and give the rest to my team." He came back and said, "We can't do that," and I just said, "No. Then I refuse. I refuse to have the increase that you give me, because it is the best thing for my team."

Lisa Nunes:

He said to me, "Do you realize what the political impact would be for you to say no to this?" I thought about it and I came back and I said, "I don't care. I don't care. My team deserves this." In the end my team got it. I was not very popular and there was a price that was paid, and I would do it again and again.

Lisa Nunes:

It was the right thing to do. It politically was not the best thing for me to do, but it was the right thing to do. And it didn't take courage. The team did an amazing job and they deserved that. So that's probably the first thing that comes to mind.

Japhet De Oliveira:

That's beautiful. That was beautiful. It's interesting how sometimes the right thing is not always the political thing to do.

Lisa Nunes:

Yeah. Typically your instincts will tell you it's the right thing if you're not listening to your fear, because sometimes our fear is the first thing that we hear, but it's really not our wisdom. The more that we tap into our wisdom, I think we'll always be guided well.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Yeah. Malcolm Gladwell speaks of that in the Blink idea. Yeah, I'm with you on that. Yeah. Beautiful. Good. All right. Where do you want to go next?

Lisa Nunes:

Let's go to 100.

Japhet De Oliveira:

OK. All right. All right. Question 100 then. We're early as to our time, but that's beautiful. Tell us about one question that you just don't want to answer.

Lisa Nunes:

It's probably a much more emotional one. It's a question that I would never want to answer, and that question is what would a world look like without my son? That's a question I think no parent ever wants to answer.

Japhet De Oliveira:

That's true.

Lisa Nunes:

You got me emotional on that one.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Yeah. That's true. That's true. That's true. That's really true, Lisa, for all people. Absolutely. You think about your parents or you think about your siblings or you think about your children, people that you're close to. Yes. Yeah.

Lisa Nunes:

Those whom you love most, right? And that comes to mind because I have some people in my personal life that are going through some really tough, tough things, and that actually came up in a conversation with somebody else about a week ago, so that's why it's kind of more top of mind.

Japhet De Oliveira:

And it's a tough time. It's a tough time right now with a lot of loss in the world right now as well, so that's complex. Yeah. All right. Well, you hit one of the... The hardest question actually, but we still have time, which is beautiful, to share a few more experiences and stories to share.

Japhet De Oliveira:

So where would you like to go after that 100?

Lisa Nunes:

Let's go to a lighter one.

Japhet De Oliveira:

All right.

Lisa Nunes:

How about let's go to number 27.

Japhet De Oliveira:

27? All right. 27, let's scroll down there. It says here bring us into your kitchen for a special meal. What would you be making at this special meal?

Lisa Nunes:

Well, my mother was... I know this is going to be bias, but really objectively speaking my mother was probably one of the most amazing chefs I've ever met. My mother could actually taste something and regardless of what culture or area of the world she could taste it and figure out how to make it after a couple of revs.

Japhet De Oliveira:

That's brilliant.

Lisa Nunes:

So growing up I got to learn a lot of different dishes from her. I think one of my signature dishes that I love to make is caramelized oyster pork chops or chicken. Pork actually is a very big thing in the Vietnamese culture and so is chicken, so you can use it with any meat that you want or any fish.

Lisa Nunes:

It's oyster sauce and it's sugar and water and some other spices, and then you kind of marinate the meat for about a couple hours and then you slowly cook it with some lemongrass over that with steamed rice. That's one of my favorites.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Fantastic. Fantastic. Sounds good.

Lisa Nunes:

I know. I'm hungry now.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Now you're hungry. That's good. I like it. Good. Good. All right. After 27, what next?

Lisa Nunes:

Let's do 42.

Japhet De Oliveira:

42? All right. Tell us the story behind the background photo on your phone. So I'm hoping you have a background photo on your phone?

Lisa Nunes:

I do. I do.

Japhet De Oliveira:

OK.

Lisa Nunes:

I rotate every couple of months. The one that's on now is my son when he was about five months old.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Beautiful.

Lisa Nunes:

I did that because he was colicky. He was really colicky the first three months, so the fourth or fifth month he actually really started smiling, and I have some pictures. It reminds me of the moments where we got past the darkness.

Japhet De Oliveira:

That's great.

Lisa Nunes:

He's had a little bit of a rough time starting high school. So when he started high school I put that picture on the background to remind us of what it looks like sometimes on the other side of darkness.

Japhet De Oliveira:

That's good. That's good. That's beautiful. All right. You have time for two more numbers I would imagine, so where do you want to go for the last two?

Lisa Nunes:

79.

Japhet De Oliveira:

79? All right. Here we go. Well, share, if you would, Lisa, a painful memory you wish you could forget.

Lisa Nunes:

A painful memory?

Japhet De Oliveira:

That you wish you could forget.

Lisa Nunes:

That's really hard because-

Japhet De Oliveira:

It is.

Lisa Nunes:

... I, like many people, have many painful memories. But, Japhet, there isn't anything that I would want to forget, because I really do believe that all of our experiences shape us.

Japhet De Oliveira:

I'm with you. I'm with you.

Lisa Nunes:

So, gosh, there are some painful things that I would not want to relive, but even the really, really tough ones, losing parents, hurting somebody inadvertently that you really care about that you had no idea, some of those things, I wouldn't want to forget them.

Japhet De Oliveira:

I like that. I like that. I think that's pretty good, because there is a major difference between being able to forget something and wishing, and also not being able to relive it, but remembering there's something I learned through that.

Lisa Nunes:

Yes. Because you're right, it's the learning that you have from it. Some of it is learning more about who you are and how you handle things in those moments when you're not at your best, and sometimes at your worse.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Beautiful. All right. Then we can pass on that. That's actually great. Thank you for the teaching on that. So you have time for one more last one.

Lisa Nunes:

One last one?

Japhet De Oliveira:

Yeah, one last question. Yeah.

Lisa Nunes:

Let's do 92.

Japhet De Oliveira:

92? All right. Here we go. How would you like to be remembered, Lisa?

Lisa Nunes:

I promise listeners we did not rehearse this.

Japhet De Oliveira:

No, I know. Well, we can't.

Lisa Nunes:

I would like to be remembered as somebody who really did her best to help others and to make a difference, and also somebody who made a lot of mistakes and tried to share that with people so they could learn.

Lisa Nunes:

Also maybe lastly somebody that could inspire people to walk a different path, because I had a very unusual path to get to where I am now. I was raised in an environment where we didn't have much money and there was a lot of racism and... Yeah, I had a very different path than perhaps a lot of folks that we may work with.

Lisa Nunes:

So from that I would hope that people would remember that it doesn't matter where you come from, and sometimes it doesn't matter all your circumstances. If you have faith in a higher power, whether that be Allah or Jesus, but if you have a faith in a higher power, you have faith in yourself, and you're committed to learn and to grow, that the what ifs sometimes become very real.

Lisa Nunes:

I would hope to inspire people that you can succeed and you can rise through any of your circumstances.

Japhet De Oliveira:

That's beautiful, Lisa. Thank you so much for sharing that. Thank you for taking the time to share so many of the stories and experiences that have shaped you in your life to make you the great leader that you are today, the leader that actually is shaping culture at Adventist Health, helping shaping other leaders to transform this company as well. Thank you for the time.

Japhet De Oliveira:

I want to encourage everybody who's listened to this podcast to remember that you have as well stories and experiences that shape your life as well. Lisa is nodding her head. We're both in agreement with this. Take time to listen. Take time to share those with your friends, being community, because that's actually where you get to live that, and you can change the world as well. So God bless, look after you, and thank you again.

Lisa Nunes:

Thank you.

Narrator:

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