Cindy Nutter
Episode 203

Narrator:

Welcome friends to another episode of The Story & Experience Podcast. Join your host, Japhet De Oliveira, with his guest today and discover the moments that shape us, our families and communities.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Hey, welcome friends to another episode of The Story & Experience Podcast. I am super delighted for you to be able to meet this guest because it's been a long time coming and it's going to be really worthwhile for you. You're going to love this. You're going to love this.

So if you're brand new to the podcast with a hundred questions, they are about stories and experiences that shape this person into the leader that they are today. I'm going to ask the first 10, they get to pick a number. Closer to 100, the more vulnerable they are. So let's begin with the first one. What's your name and does anybody mispronounce it?

Cindy Nutter:

My name is Cindy Nutter. No, people don't mispronounce it. It's pretty easy.

Japhet De Oliveira:

That's great. That's great.

Cindy Nutter:

Yes.

Japhet De Oliveira:

That's great. Well, it's good, Cindy. Cindy, what do you do for work?

Cindy Nutter:

I am an interim system chief nursing officer right now, but I am a nurse.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Okay.

Cindy Nutter:

A nurse who happens to be in leadership at this point.

Japhet De Oliveira:

So you're the CNO for Adventist Health?

Cindy Nutter:

I am.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Wow. Okay. Interim.

Cindy Nutter:

Interim.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Does it mean that you can make terrible decisions and there's no consequences? What does interim mean?

Cindy Nutter:

It means that when there is a gap between the previous CNO and the upcoming CNO, that I help to continue to drive things that need to be done. I continue to support the PCEs where they need to be, and I continue to be the voice of nursing in appropriate committees and that kind of thing so that those interests and those perspectives are not lost.

Japhet De Oliveira:

And you love it.

Cindy Nutter:

I do. I do.

Japhet De Oliveira:

I know.

Cindy Nutter:

Most of the time.

Japhet De Oliveira:

This is great. Well, that's a challenging job. Yeah. I mean, recruiting nurses today. I mean, it's a challenging field.

Cindy Nutter:

Yes, it is.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Okay, so you've got to tell us a little bit about how you ended up. What's been your path?

Cindy Nutter:

My path.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Yeah. I'd love to know. Yeah.

Cindy Nutter:

Do you want to know from the beginning or just the last...

Japhet De Oliveira:

Okay, let me go here. Tell me, first of all, where were you born?

Cindy Nutter:

I was born at White Memorial Hospital. I was. I was.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Wow. Okay.

Cindy Nutter:

Yes. Yes, I was. My father was in a medical school then.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Really?

Cindy Nutter:

So this was an internship that he did.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Yeah. Oh, that's fantastic. All right. Did you grow up in that area?

Cindy Nutter:

No.

Japhet De Oliveira:

No?

Cindy Nutter:

I later lived in Portland when he was there, and then we moved around a bit and landed back in Portland when I was 11. So then my parents were in that house until just recently. 60 years they were there.

Japhet De Oliveira:

That's amazing.

Cindy Nutter:

Yes.

Japhet De Oliveira:

All right. So now growing up as a child, what did you imagine you would grow up to be?

Cindy Nutter:

Not a nurse.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Not a nurse. Okay. All right.

Cindy Nutter:

My sister was going to be a nurse, but I was not.

Japhet De Oliveira:

What were you going to be?

Cindy Nutter:

A housewife.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Really?

Cindy Nutter:

Yes. My mother was. I admired her. She was very intelligent. I ended up taking a music major in college to begin with. My first two years, I was a piano major. And then I one night was practicing in Walla Walla, in the music center there. It was a December cold night and I realized I really like to play the piano, but I don't like being isolated like this and I don't want to have a career of teaching music. So I went back to the dorm with my roommate who was also a piano major and I changed our majors that night.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Together.

Cindy Nutter:

We did together. It was kind of a hit to the music department. So that night I looked at the bulletin and I said, "You know, I like people and I like science. I think I'll be a nurse."

Japhet De Oliveira:

Wow! That's great.

Cindy Nutter:

And she changed to a home ec teacher.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Wow! That's amazing. That's amazing.

Cindy Nutter:

Yes.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Wow, fantastic.

Cindy Nutter:

Yes. And as I reflected, I did retire in January of 2023. And when I talked to the team at that time, I said, "That random decision, seemingly random decision, that one night has led to an amazing career."

Japhet De Oliveira:

That's amazing.

Cindy Nutter:

I've never been sorry.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Oh God, that's really great. And did she stay as a home ec teacher?

Cindy Nutter:

I think so. I lost track of her overtime, but I do believe she did. Yeah. Yeah.

Japhet De Oliveira:

All right. So now you became a nurse, you've been working as a nurse, and then you just retired in 2023?

Cindy Nutter:

I did. January 2023.

Japhet De Oliveira:

So you came out of retirement to take on this interim role?

Cindy Nutter:

I did.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Oh, that's great. That's great.

Cindy Nutter:

Yes. It's my second interim role since retirement. Yeah.

Japhet De Oliveira:

We're glad that you keep on doing this.

Cindy Nutter:

Thank you.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Yeah.

Cindy Nutter:

It's been a privilege.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Yeah. Hey, that's fantastic. All right, so where did you nurse? Where did you serve?

Cindy Nutter:

Well, my first 27 years were in mostly critical care. I really prioritized my family. I wanted to be sure that I could... We didn't have to have a lot of childcare. So I took jobs that fit with the needs of the family at the time. So that took me to great places. I was able to work in critical care units, in small hospitals, in large hospitals. I ended up working at Harborview in Seattle, which was a trauma and burn center for four different states.

I ended up doing school nursing for a boarding high school with 500 students. I was able to manage a clinic during that time, and I taught for six years in a nursing program. So I got a significant variety of experiences through that time. Always working in critical care was a theme. I got to take care of cardiac surgery patients, burn, trauma, and general med surg patients. And so that was a privilege. So that was the first 27 years and then I went into leadership after that.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Right. So I've got to ask a question about leadership. Did you always know that you were made for leadership?

Cindy Nutter:

I always thought. So there was a night, I remember. Back in Auburn, I worked nights, worked for the family. I'm not a night person, but I worked nights and I saw this manager just turn... We had one manager and then another one and then another one. And there were struggles with things. I wanted to switch days with somebody else. I wanted to work... We wanted to split weekends, but we couldn't because the policy didn't allow it.

And I just thought, I would love to be an ICU manager someday and it seems like we might be able to create a win-win situation here. So I always had that in the back of my mind that I thought that would be fun to do, but I didn't know that I would ever be able to do it because we weren't in one place long enough for me to grow up through the system.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Okay. Okay, but you knew it was inside you.

Cindy Nutter:

Yeah, a manager.

Japhet De Oliveira:

That's great. That's great.

Cindy Nutter:

I pictured a manager would be a fun role, but that was about it.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Lo and behold.

Cindy Nutter:

Lo and behold.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Well, it's fantastic. I'm glad you're doing it. All right, a couple more little fun ones. Are you an early riser or a late night owl?

Cindy Nutter:

Early. Early riser.

Japhet De Oliveira:

What's early?

Cindy Nutter:

Oh, 5:00.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Okay. All right. All right. And in the morning when you get up, do you have coffee, like a green smoothie?

Cindy Nutter:

Both, yes.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Okay. Oh, really?

Cindy Nutter:

I have some hot water to start with. Yes.

Japhet De Oliveira:

What's the first drink of the day?

Cindy Nutter:

If I'm going the right way, it's hot water. Then the smoothie. Then the coffee. It doesn't always happen that way.

Japhet De Oliveira:

You never mix all three? No. Okay, that's great.

Cindy Nutter:

No. No.

Japhet De Oliveira:

That's great. And then first thought that went through your mind this morning.

Cindy Nutter:

Turn on the water, heat up some water.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Okay.

Cindy Nutter:

That was it.

Japhet De Oliveira:

That was it. It's momentous, but it's right. It's right. Hey, that's good. Cindy, if people were to describe your personality, would they say you're an extrovert or an introvert and would you agree?

Cindy Nutter:

It depends on the setting.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Okay.

Cindy Nutter:

In certain settings, I think they would definitely see me as an extrovert and in others less so.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Okay.

Cindy Nutter:

And overall, I'm an extrovert.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Yeah. So you claim it and enjoy it?

Cindy Nutter:

I do.

Japhet De Oliveira:

All right. That's good.

Cindy Nutter:

Mostly. That's good. Not the strongest in the continuum, but.

Japhet De Oliveira:

All right, last question in this segment here. It's a leadership question. Are you a backseat driver?

Cindy Nutter:

I'll tell you, my passion is facilitating other people's growth. In my midlife, there was a time where I had to identify my passion. It took me about six months. Finally, I identified my passion as creating systems that enable people to flourish. And that has been consistent with what I've found that I did well at and what I gravitated toward. And so I find that the backseat driver piece, I consider maybe a little bit of micromanaging.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Yes.

Cindy Nutter:

I will go to that if I'm trying to understand something. If I really don't understand what's going on, I will dig down into the minutiae and then I can step back. I also will take on some things and then manage them until I find somebody who can do it better and hand it off to them.

Japhet De Oliveira:

That's good.

Cindy Nutter:

So I don't know how that fits with backseat driver, but.

Japhet De Oliveira:

I think it's a very complicated car. It's great. I like it.

Cindy Nutter:

Okay.

Japhet De Oliveira:

I like it. That's great. All right, the floor is open. Where would you like to go? Anywhere between 11 and 100?

Cindy Nutter:

Let's go with 15.

Japhet De Oliveira:

15. All right. What's the one thing you always misplace?

Cindy Nutter:

AirPods.

Japhet De Oliveira:

AirPods.

Cindy Nutter:

Fortunately, I've got to Find My app. Most recently, I found them in the car, the crack between the seat.

Japhet De Oliveira:

That's great. That's great. Easy to be done. All right. Good. That was 15. Where next?

Cindy Nutter:

25.

Japhet De Oliveira:

25. Right. Oh, share about the most beautiful thing you've ever seen.

Cindy Nutter:

It might be a sunset up in the San Juan Islands over glassy water.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Yeah. Those are kind of magical.

Cindy Nutter:

Yeah.

Japhet De Oliveira:

And they're beautiful islands. Yeah.

Cindy Nutter:

Yes. Yes.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Yeah. It's nice. Good. All right. I was 25.

Cindy Nutter:

Okay. Let's go with 35.

Japhet De Oliveira:

35. All right. Oh, share about a special interest or unique talent that you have.

Cindy Nutter:

Maybe it is bringing order from chaos.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Oh, I like that.

Cindy Nutter:

If things are scattered, I talked with a lady, it drives some people absolutely nuts because I tend to think out loud. I had to tell my kids at one point in life, it's like, "Don't get upset if I say no at first because I'm going to think about it and I may not agree with myself when I get there." And I found out when I got into leadership positions that that didn't work well, because if I said something, it had more weight. So I had to back off on that. But I do kind of like challenges where there's lots of different pieces and you can put them together and put them into a system that works well over time.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Nice. Not everybody is able to do that. So I've got to ask, this is a bonus question, how do you not get overwhelmed by the disorder, right? Some people are paralyzed when they see the chaos. But you like the chaos because you can make order. So how do you not overwhelm yourself?

Cindy Nutter:

I think you just kind of have to step back. If I feel like I'm starting to get overwhelmed, I just have to step back a little bit and look at what's going on, learn more about it, let it sit for a while, and then try different approaches of what we can do about it.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Yeah, that's good. I like it. All right, where next?

Cindy Nutter:

Let's go back to 17.

Japhet De Oliveira:

17. All right. Share what day is the most special to you in the entire calendar, one day and why?

Cindy Nutter:

I guess Christmas. Christmas is lovely.

Japhet De Oliveira:

It's great.

Cindy Nutter:

It is. Need I say more?

Japhet De Oliveira:

No. I second. That motion is moved. That's great. Yeah, my favorite too. All right. Where next?

Cindy Nutter:

Okay, 35.

Japhet De Oliveira:

35.

Cindy Nutter:

Or did I already do that one?

Japhet De Oliveira:

Oh no, we did that one.

Cindy Nutter:

I did that. 37.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Yeah. What do you like most about your family?

Cindy Nutter:

Oh.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Yeah, I know.

Cindy Nutter:

Oh, where do I start? They are such complex, lovely people. We have a huge variety in each one. And I love being able to... The thing probably that I really have resonated with in later years is watching how they love each other and how much they enjoy each other. And I really revel in that.

I could go on about all the things that I love, but they are... Each of them is incredibly loving and kind. And it's demonstrated in different ways. And I enjoy seeing the interactions that come from that. Some that will not be responsive to text messages, some that share everything. And just watching that dynamic work out, I enjoy that.

Japhet De Oliveira:

The beauty of kids.

Cindy Nutter:

The beauty of kids.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Yeah. Family's great. Hey, that's beautiful. All right, where next?

Cindy Nutter:

28.

Japhet De Oliveira:

28. All right. If you had to give, this is great for you, if you had to give an impromptu 30 minute presentation, what would it be?

Cindy Nutter:

Oh, boy. And this has to be an impromptu answer, 30 minutes is a long one. I think it might be about people that I've had the privilege of mentoring and where they've gone and stories about them because I get so excited to see people flourish.

Japhet De Oliveira:

That's good.

Cindy Nutter:

And I can talk a long time. Probably one of my favorite things to do when I was a director was honor the 35 and 40 year employees at Service Awards. We could do two minutes, but in that two minutes, we could encapsulate their lives. And I found that to be so fascinating and so much fun. So talking about people that I've learned to know would probably be what I would talk about.

Japhet De Oliveira:

It's good. Good. Love that. Yeah. I loved it when they did the videos of people. 35 and 40 years, it's a long time.

Cindy Nutter:

It is. It is.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Yeah, it's amazing.

Cindy Nutter:

It is amazing. Yeah.

Japhet De Oliveira:

That's fantastic. All right, where next?

Cindy Nutter:

69.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Oh, tell us about one experience that you'd love to relive over and over again.

Cindy Nutter:

It seems kind of bizarre that it was so long ago. But when I was in seventh grade, we were backpacking up in the Alpine country, I think in the Wallowas probably in Eastern Oregon. We were spread out across this trail. My brother was up ahead. I was next. And I remember seeing this field of alpine flowers and hummingbirds coming and attacking my blue backpack.

And I remember thinking, I'm not stressed out here. I have no idea what I was stressed about in seventh grade, but I do remember that I felt like, oh, this is amazing and this is where I can breathe. So I've remembered that time and I love being out hiking in Alpine country like that so I could relieve that again and again.

Japhet De Oliveira:

That's good. I kind of like want to go to that spot right now. It's great. I like it the way you described it. It's beautiful. All right, where next?

Cindy Nutter:

43.

Japhet De Oliveira:

43. All right. Tell us about the best gift you've ever received.

Cindy Nutter:

I think one that was just deeply, deeply meaningful to me was when I was retiring, there was a person who meant a lot to me that said, "Cindy cares more deeply than any person I've ever met." And that touched me deeply. That may have been one of the best gifts I ever received because some of the work that I did, I didn't always feel that I was able to exhibit that care, had to make hard decisions and so forth. And so to have that be an observation was deeply meaningful.

Japhet De Oliveira:

That is nice. That is nice. Those are great moments. Yeah. Yeah. That's great. All right, where next?

Cindy Nutter:

53.

Japhet De Oliveira:

53. All right. Can you tell us about at least one person, one important person in your life? Can you tell us about at least one important person in your life?

Cindy Nutter:

I'm going to tell you about my husband, Dave.

Japhet De Oliveira:

All right. All right.

Cindy Nutter:

My husband, he's a fan of me. You talk about gifts. My mind automatically goes to him because he has a way of buying me things that I don't think I need, and it turns out that they're exactly what I use. So he has an ability to understand and give in ways. I didn't identify that as my best gift. However, he has given me many things that are things I didn't know that I needed.

And he is fun and he is creative. He's never boring. And he loves me. He loves my family well. Right now, I am here because he is home supporting my dad who lives with us. And he was the one who said, "You need to go do this job, Cindy." So I appreciate his willingness to empower me and to support.

Japhet De Oliveira:

That's fantastic.

Cindy Nutter:

Yeah.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Wow. Gold star on hand as well.

Cindy Nutter:

He's a retired dentist and he had a reputation for having an office that was cozy. The only cozy dentist that some people had felt. So four generations of families would go to him.

Japhet De Oliveira:

That's good.

Cindy Nutter:

He's a caring person.

Japhet De Oliveira:

That's a testament as well.

Cindy Nutter:

Yes.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Oh, beautiful. When he hears us, he'll love it. That'd be fantastic. All right, where next?

Cindy Nutter:

23.

Japhet De Oliveira:

23. All right. Tell us about the most outdated piece of technology that you have and you own and you use on a regular basis still today.

Cindy Nutter:

Oh boy. I would have far more outdated technology if it weren't for my husband pushing newer technology on. It probably is the TV that's in the hotel where I'm staying. That might be it.

Japhet De Oliveira:

That's good. That's good. Fair enough. Is it black and white? No.

Cindy Nutter:

It is not, but it has a remote that is delayed by... Yeah.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Yeah. Okay. All right, where next?

Cindy Nutter:

13.

Japhet De Oliveira:

13. All right. Walk us through the ideal end of your day.

Cindy Nutter:

Ideal would be having a light supper, playing a game with family and having time to visit and going to bed.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Nice.

Cindy Nutter:

Maybe a short walk after dinner in the warmth and sunshine.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Not in the cold and fog.

Cindy Nutter:

No.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Okay. All right. That's good. I'm glad you're moving. All right. All right, where next?

Cindy Nutter:

27.

Japhet De Oliveira:

27. Oh, bring us into your kitchen and you're preparing a special meal. What would it be making?

Cindy Nutter:

Probably making Ring Tum Ditty.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Sorry? Ring Timodi?

Cindy Nutter:

Ring Tum Ditty.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Ring Tum Ditty.

Cindy Nutter:

It is a traditional dish that it's rice with a kind of a cheese sauce with tomato soup in it and beans.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Really?

Cindy Nutter:

And you serve cabbage salad with it and some different toppings.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Ring Tum Ditty.

Cindy Nutter:

Ring Tum Ditty.

Japhet De Oliveira:

If I Google that.

Cindy Nutter:

I think you can find it. I think it is in Google.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Is this part of your family heritage?

Cindy Nutter:

Yes.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Oh!

Cindy Nutter:

Yes.

Japhet De Oliveira:

That's nice. That's great. That's great. All right, where next?

Cindy Nutter:

63. Did I already do 63?

Japhet De Oliveira:

No.

Cindy Nutter:

Okay.

Japhet De Oliveira:

All right. Tell us about the time when you actually felt lost.

Cindy Nutter:

I was lost.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Okay. Okay.

Cindy Nutter:

When I was a kid, we backpacked.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Yeah. Yeah.

Cindy Nutter:

And we were coming down. This particular time, we had... My dad hated to be carrying food home with us. And so every year he made that better. And so this particular year, we had taken meals, just enough meals, just enough food to go for the trip. And so we had eaten the last of the food, taken a nap, and took off to go back home, and the trail started disappearing.

So we'd go through a meadow and then on the other side. We couldn't find the trail. So we continued this way for a while and then decided to just go down the mountain to the bottom where the river was. And we were lost. On the way down, we were following the stream. I fell down, broke my arm, so they had to take my backpack, multiple things like that. We were definitely lost. Then we were looking for food and...

Japhet De Oliveira:

How long did this last?

Cindy Nutter:

Well, about 10:00 that night, we actually did find the trail and were able to get out about 1:00 in the morning.

Japhet De Oliveira:

With your broken arm.

Cindy Nutter:

So we weren't lost for days. Yes, with my broken arm. Yes. But I didn't have a backpack because of that.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Sure. I'm trying to weigh up the pain of a broken arm walking around wandering in the wilderness. I think I'd take the backpack. That's well done. All right. All right. All right, where next?

Cindy Nutter:

21.

Japhet De Oliveira:

21. All right. Oh, share about the best compliment you've ever received.

Cindy Nutter:

Well, it probably was that gift earlier. I think that probably was the best one.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Yeah.

Cindy Nutter:

That probably was it.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Okay. All right. We'll let you run with that one. That's good. We'll go somewhere else then.

Cindy Nutter:

Oh, you know what? I'm going to tell you another one.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Yeah, sure.

Cindy Nutter:

There was another leader who said, "Keep asking questions. You ask good questions." That was meaningful as well, because sometimes I was a little annoying with my questions. So that was a meaningful statement.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Questions are good. Yeah, that's good. It clarifies, brings peace. It's good. All right, where next?

Cindy Nutter:

14.

Japhet De Oliveira:

14. All right. Tell us about what you enjoy doing outside of work.

Cindy Nutter:

Hiking, golfing, boating, most things outside.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Where's have been your most favorite spot to golf?

Cindy Nutter:

To golf?

Japhet De Oliveira:

Yeah.

Cindy Nutter:

It is near our home in Washougal. It's called Elk Ridge. It's out in the Columbia River Gorge.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Nice.

Cindy Nutter:

And it appears so you're in the mountains when you do it. So it's kind of like you're out hiking, but you're golfing.

Japhet De Oliveira:

That is great.

Cindy Nutter:

And until COVID, we had it to ourselves. Now it's quite popular.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Yeah. I was going to say bring... No. That's good. All right, where next?

Cindy Nutter:

27.

Japhet De Oliveira:

27.

Cindy Nutter:

Did I already do that?

Japhet De Oliveira:

Yeah, you did.

Cindy Nutter:

28.

Japhet De Oliveira:

28. Oh, you did that as well.

Cindy Nutter:

29.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Okay. This is great. Share three things that make you instantly happy.

Cindy Nutter:

Sunshine.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Great.

Cindy Nutter:

Seat heater when it's cold.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Yeah, that's fair. I like to qualify.

Cindy Nutter:

A cup of coffee in the morning that my husband makes for me.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Nice.

Cindy Nutter:

So pour over with steamed and foamed oat milk.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Wow. This is a great coffee.

Cindy Nutter:

This started with retirement.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Yeah. Yeah. Pour over, it removes all the bitterness.

Cindy Nutter:

Yeah.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Yeah. It's beautiful.

Cindy Nutter:

Yeah, exactly.

Japhet De Oliveira:

No, it's great.

Cindy Nutter:

Exactly.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Yeah, one of my favorite. I agree. All right. We have time for two more.

Cindy Nutter:

Okay.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Oh, where'd you want to go?

Cindy Nutter:

32.

Japhet De Oliveira:

32. All right, here we go. If you were featured on the local news, what would the news story likely be?

Cindy Nutter:

It would probably be some random bizarre mistake I made. I don't know. It seems like...

Japhet De Oliveira:

Involving ring tum ditty.

Cindy Nutter:

It took me a while to recognize that I'm kind of an auditory and kinesthetic learner, not so much visual. But I can drive by something a hundred times and not notice it if I'm not paying attention. So this is why I can get lost or I can lead people the wrong way, or I could potentially go the wrong way on the street or something. I might make some mistake that ends up having me on the news because of some person I've run into or something like that. I would hope not. I haven't had that, but I don't know any reason I would be on the news otherwise.

Japhet De Oliveira:

All right. All right. Good. Last number.

Cindy Nutter:

21.

Japhet De Oliveira:

21. All right. Oh, you...

Cindy Nutter:

Did it?

Japhet De Oliveira:

Yep.

Cindy Nutter:

19.

Japhet De Oliveira:

19. Oh, what is your exercise routine?

Cindy Nutter:

Oh!

Japhet De Oliveira:

Yeah.

Cindy Nutter:

Okay.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Yeah.

Cindy Nutter:

Ideally or right now?

Japhet De Oliveira:

That's actually a great qualifier. All of us is ideal.

Cindy Nutter:

I do go to the gym and have more to find, weight training and that kind of thing. And I love to walk. So I love to walk a couple of miles a day. I don't do that on a regular basis, but my ideal one is to do that and then to work out at the gym three times a week.

Japhet De Oliveira:

That's fantastic. Good. Cindy, it has been a pleasure to speak. Thank you for sharing.

Cindy Nutter:

Thank you, Japhet.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Yeah.

Cindy Nutter:

Appreciate the opportunity.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Yeah, absolutely. I want to encourage people to do the same thing. Sit down with a friend, ask them good questions. It's good for us. We learn and we change for it, so I'm a better person for it.

Cindy Nutter:

Thank you for what you do.

Japhet De Oliveira:

No worries. No worries. God bless you. And we'll thank the game with everyone else.

Cindy Nutter:

Okay.

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