Ali Sandhu

Ali Sandhu
Episode 71

Join host Japhet De Oliveira in this episode as he sits down with his guest, Ali Sandhu, for a meaningful conversation surrounding early morning routines, powerful professional influences, the joy of running, and being rich in love.
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"I cry when I think about his belief in me … Here you are, 16 years old, new to this country, barely speak English, but then you have someone who believes in you so much so that they think you should go to college, and they'll pay for it."

Narrator: Welcome friends to another episode of The Story & Experience Podcast. Join your host, Japhet De Oliveira with his guest today and discover the moments that shape us, our families and communities.

Japhet De Oliveira: Welcome to The Story & Experience Podcast, my friends. We are here in the brand-new studio setup with this recording equipment right now for a new episode of the podcast with a new guest testing it out in this particular area, so I'm very excited about seeing this person in front of me.

If you are brand new to this podcast, we have 100 questions, one to 100. They become more vulnerable as we get close to a hundred. I'm going to ask the first 10, and then the guest gets to pick any number between 11 and 100. So let's just dive straight in. I'm going to ask the very first question. Could you tell us your name and does anybody ever mispronounce it?

Ali Sandhu: My full name?

Japhet De Oliveira: Oh, I like this. OK.

Ali Sandhu: Is Zulfikar Ali Sandhu.

Japhet De Oliveira: Zulfikar.

Ali Sandhu: Yes.

Japhet De Oliveira: Did I say that right?

Ali Sandhu: Yes.

Japhet De Oliveira: Oh, it's beautiful.

Ali Sandhu: It's an Arabic name. It actually means sword.

Japhet De Oliveira: Ooh.

Ali Sandhu: However, I go by Ali because most people can't pronounce my first name.

Japhet De Oliveira: Zulfikar. Right.

Ali Sandhu: Yes. I tried using that in high school, but all my teachers would call me Zulfi, Zee. So in college, I started using my middle name, which is Ali. So I go by Ali Sandhu, and folks even mispronounce that sometime to Allie, but I respond to Allie or Ali.

Japhet De Oliveira: Ali, do you ever correct them, or do you let it go?

Ali Sandhu: I let it go.

Japhet De Oliveira: You let it go?

Ali Sandhu: Yeah.

Japhet De Oliveira: All right. All right. Well, we'll see how people do after the podcast. That's great. Ali, tell us, what do you do for work?

Ali Sandhu: I am the system imaging executive.

Japhet De Oliveira: For?

Ali Sandhu: The entire system of Adventist Health.

Japhet De Oliveira: Oh, that's great.

Ali Sandhu: So I oversee all markets for medical imaging. That includes diagnostic imaging, cardiovascular imaging. So in a nutshell, it is my responsibility to ensure that we have the best patient care in medical imaging across the enterprise, where our patients get the best care, our staff love what they do, and our physicians love to practice in medical imaging. So in short, I do my part by making sure my team has the resources and tools that they need, that our system at the enterprise level is able to help with using our scale, for example.

Japhet De Oliveira: That's great.

Ali Sandhu: Yeah.

Japhet De Oliveira: That's great. You enjoy it?

Ali Sandhu: I love it.

Japhet De Oliveira: You love it. I know you do.

Ali Sandhu: I love it.

Japhet De Oliveira: I know you do.

Ali Sandhu: Yeah.

Japhet De Oliveira: How long have you been in this current role?

Ali Sandhu: So in my current role, 14 months.

Japhet De Oliveira: OK. And what did you do before these 14 months?

Ali Sandhu: I was with another organization for 25 years.

Japhet De Oliveira: 25 years. Oh, a quarter of a century.

Ali Sandhu: Yes.

Japhet De Oliveira: That's great.

Ali Sandhu: In fact, I worked for that organization right out of college.

Japhet De Oliveira: Oh, really? So you were very young.

Ali Sandhu: Yes. Yes.

Japhet De Oliveira: Bring them in yourself. That's great. Hey, in the morning when you wake up, what's your drink of choice? Do you have water, tea, coffee, some green liquid smoothie?

Ali Sandhu: Glass of water.

Japhet De Oliveira: Oh yeah. Warm, cold?

Ali Sandhu: Warm now. In the summer. Cold. For the last month, I've been using warm.

Japhet De Oliveira: Is it really cold here now? That's OK. It's OK. Cold in California is a little bit different, right?

Ali Sandhu: Yeah.

Japhet De Oliveira: That's great. That's great. So Ali, where were you born?

Ali Sandhu: I was born in Pakistan, in a small village in Pakistan.

Japhet De Oliveira: Ooh, and when you were a child, what did you imagine you were going to grow up to be?

Ali Sandhu: That's a great question.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah.

Ali Sandhu: I recall growing up in this small village where we did not have running water or electricity, and the farthest I could see was really being like my father, who was a farmer, a laborer, and at most I thought I might be a teacher because I saw my teachers in the village. And our sphere and the perimeter, if you will, was probably three miles. We went to the farm, back to the village, so my world was very small, did not have exposure to all the things that we do now on social media and so forth.

Japhet De Oliveira: That's great.

Ali Sandhu: Yeah.

Japhet De Oliveira: That's amazing. That's amazing. Now I have passed by your office a couple times and seen that you have these charts all over the walls with diagrams and flow charts, and so do you enjoy teaching strategy thinking?

Ali Sandhu: First, I enjoy learning, and I love to share my learning with others, and over time, what I have learned is for me, I have to make things visual. I have to be able to see our performance visual. I have to track progress, so all those charts that you see really help me every day focus on what's most important.

Japhet De Oliveira: Hey, that's great. That's great. Tell us about your personality. Would people say that you are an introvert or extrovert, and would you agree with their conclusion?

Ali Sandhu: I think for the most part, extrovert.

Japhet De Oliveira: Extrovert.

Ali Sandhu: And I would agree.

Japhet De Oliveira: And you would agree?

Ali Sandhu: Yeah.

Japhet De Oliveira: Right. And then are you an early riser or late night owl?

Ali Sandhu: Absolutely early rise.

Japhet De Oliveira: Wait, and what's early for you?

Ali Sandhu: 4:00 AM

Japhet De Oliveira: OK. All right.

Ali Sandhu: Yes.

Japhet De Oliveira: All right. That's serious. That's commitment.

Ali Sandhu: Yeah.

Japhet De Oliveira: All right. That's great. First thing that went through your mind this morning?

Ali Sandhu: Should I do elliptical or treadmill?

Japhet De Oliveira: Oh, OK. OK. OK. All right. All right. That did not cross my mind, but I appreciate that I went through yours. That's great. At 4:00 AM that's great. All right. All right. Here's a leadership question for you. Are you a backseat driver?

Ali Sandhu: I think it depends on the situation. It depends on what I'm involved in. There's some projects where I need to be a backseat driver and be supportive, and other situations where I have to lead and be in the driver's seat, so it all depends on what it is that we're trying to get done.

Japhet De Oliveira: All right, that's great. That's great. Right. We're going to open the floor and you get to pick a number between 11 and 100. Where would you like to go first? You can go, well you have to start going up and then eventually up or down.

Ali Sandhu: Let's go with 15.

Japhet De Oliveira: 15, all right. 15. What is the one thing that you misplace all the time?

Ali Sandhu: My wife would agree that it's my wallet.

Japhet De Oliveira: So you don't have a location for it, right?

Ali Sandhu: I do have a location. I just don't comply.

Japhet De Oliveira: OK, Ali. We'll have to pray for you.

Ali Sandhu: Yes. I could use prayer for that. Absolutely.

Japhet De Oliveira: Oh man. Oh man. Oh dear. OK. All right. All right. Do you want to go up or down after 15?

Ali Sandhu: Always up. 19.

Japhet De Oliveira: 19. All right. Well this is great for you. What is your exercise routine? Yeah.

Ali Sandhu: So as I said, I wake up at 4:00. I start with meditation and prayer. Gym opens at 4:30, so I'm often waiting for the door to open.

Japhet De Oliveira: To open. OK.

Ali Sandhu: Yes. So I do weight training for 30 minutes and then aerobics for 30 to 45 minutes. Then I stretch.

Japhet De Oliveira: Oh, OK.

Ali Sandhu: That's my daily routine.

Japhet De Oliveira: You do it every day?

Ali Sandhu: Every day, except on weekends because I have more time, I like to join aerobic classes at the gym.

Japhet De Oliveira: Wow.

Ali Sandhu: Or if the weather's nice, I'll go for a long run.

Japhet De Oliveira: That's great.

Ali Sandhu: Yeah.

Japhet De Oliveira: That's great. Very proud of you. Well done. All right. After 19 then, if you're saying up, which number next?

Ali Sandhu: 25.

Japhet De Oliveira: 25. Share the most beautiful thing you've ever seen.

Ali Sandhu: What a great question. When my first son was born.

Japhet De Oliveira: Oh, yeah, yeah.

Ali Sandhu: Yeah. I'm going to try not to tear up. I was only 22 years old when he was born, and to see a product of me and my wife of course, and holding him, and actually I got the privilege to cut the cord.

Japhet De Oliveira: Oh wow. OK.

Ali Sandhu: When I even think about that now, it brings tears to my eyes because that really was the most beautiful thing. And then I got to see that three more times with my other three kids.

Japhet De Oliveira: Oh, that's beautiful. That was beautiful. OK.

Ali Sandhu: Total of four.

Japhet De Oliveira: I know. That's great. That's great. Four kids. That's a lot. That's great. Hey, well done.

Ali Sandhu: I'm blessed.

Japhet De Oliveira: That's beautiful. It is quite an amazing moment, right?

Ali Sandhu: Yeah.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah. Yeah. That's a privilege. All right, where would you like to go next after 25?

Ali Sandhu: 29.

Japhet De Oliveira: 29. Share three things that make you happy instantly.

Ali Sandhu: One, walking inside my home and either my wife or my kids greet me or my mother, instantly makes me happy.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah.

Ali Sandhu: Two, as soon as I bow my head down to pray to God. It makes me instantly happy. And last or number three is when my wife cooks certain foods.

Japhet De Oliveira: Oh really?

Ali Sandhu: And just the smell of it makes me happy.

Japhet De Oliveira: Instantly happy. It's just like that's a win.

Ali Sandhu: Yep. And I don't eat that food with fork or knife. It has to be with hands.

Japhet De Oliveira: Oh, with your hands?

Ali Sandhu: It's too precious to have another foreign object between you.

Japhet De Oliveira: I love that. I know what you mean. I love that. That's great. That's great. That's beautiful.

Japhet De Oliveira: Hey, that's great. All right, so after 29, where next sir?

Ali Sandhu: 35.

Japhet De Oliveira: 35. Share a special interest or unique talent that you have?

Ali Sandhu: Unique talent. I don't know if I have any unique talent. So I did martial arts throughout high school and some of my college years, and I guess that would be unique talent. I can defend myself.

Japhet De Oliveira: OK.

Ali Sandhu: Depends on who's on the other side, but...

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah, sure. So you can just, well, that's great. That's great. I'm pleased for you. That's good. But we don't need to test it out. That's fine.

Ali Sandhu: No, no.

Japhet De Oliveira: All right. All right. After 35, then where next?

Ali Sandhu: 40.

Japhet De Oliveira: 40. Ali, if you can, tell us about a time that you failed.

Ali Sandhu: I need to pick one. So we often, when we make any decision or choice, we think we're making the right decision. The job I had before this, I decided to go away from the family, which I had never done in my entire life. I always worked where I would be home with the wife and kids and my family.

And I took a job in the Bay Area for which I had to stay there during the week, come home on the weekends. So I had certain aspirations when I went to the Bay Area professionally, and although I achieved the goal of doing a turnaround that I was tasked to do when I went there, as a whole, I felt I failed in my effort to achieve the vision I had created for myself because I missed my family. I underestimated and miscalculated how much I'm going to miss my wife, my kids, my mother, so I had to basically rush back to Sacramento. So when I look at failures, I reflect on that. Although God teaches you something through every experience.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yes he does.

Ali Sandhu: That was one of the most difficult two and a half years of my life. But now looking back, I do think that I had to learn that lesson. I had to learn that there's nothing more important than family. And granted, all of us have to make those difficult choices at times. Professionally, your job calls for it, or it might be other reasons, but for me that was difficult. I don't know if it's a failure, but I sometimes look at it as a failure.

Japhet De Oliveira: It's interesting. I appreciate that story as well, because I think that's a very delicate area for many people to work out the balance.

Ali Sandhu: Yes.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah. Yeah. So that's good. Thank you. All right, where next sir?

Ali Sandhu: I got to slow down. They're getting hard.

Japhet De Oliveira: No, no, no. I think it's fine.

Ali Sandhu: We'll do 42.

Japhet De Oliveira: We were doing leaps and now we'll do 40 A. All right. All right. Tell us a story behind, on your phone, which you don't have with you, so you're going to have to remember this, but on your phone, I presume you have a photo on there, on your phone.

Ali Sandhu: Yes.

Japhet De Oliveira: Tell us a story behind that photo.

Ali Sandhu: So my background is a picture we took in San Francisco. We went there with family about two months ago, and this was one of the rare trips that my daughter-in-law is with us. Otherwise, it's often my four kids, my wife and I. And in this picture, my daughter-in-law, actually I call her my daughter now actually, instead of daughter-in-law, but just to qualify, she's standing right next to my son and it completes the family for me, so I put that picture as a background. We had a great day in San Francisco. We went to the Pier 39 by the water, had great lunch, went to the parks, and then when we were shopping by Macy's there, and in the square, we took that picture.

Japhet De Oliveira: Hey, that's good.

Ali Sandhu: Yeah.

Japhet De Oliveira: That's good. Good to take those days.

Ali Sandhu: Yeah.

Japhet De Oliveira: That's good. That was 42. Where would you like to go next?

Ali Sandhu: Let's go. 47.

Japhet De Oliveira: 47. All right.

Ali Sandhu: I'm getting the courage back.

Japhet De Oliveira: Get the courage back. All right. You just met someone that you met them for the very first time. What would you want them to know about you and why?

Ali Sandhu: I want them to know that I believe that God created us to help and care for other humans, for humanity, and whatever my actions, whatever I am doing with you or whoever else, my intent is to help. Sometime it might not come across that way because of the issue or if we are dealing with a challenging time or a challenge, but my goal is to make sure I never hurt anybody and I always try to help others.

And I want them to know that I think the most precious thing in life is family, and I value that. And I as individual, I'm accountable. So I'll always come through for you. If you need me, I'm going to be there. If I promise something, I'm going to deliver. If I can't, I will apologize.

And the other thing actually is that I have no ego. I want the other person to know that there's nothing here about me, which is truly something that I believe deeply, that we're all here for a purpose. The purpose might be to take care of patients, purpose might be to take care of your family. In that process, if we put our ego first, if I put my ego first, then I'm really not there for you or the patient. I'm there for me. So when I meditate, that's something I'm very conscientious about, and I try to make sure I run through in my head that the decisions that I make are not based on my ego, but for the purpose that I'm making the decision for, for the higher calling. So I try not to make anything about me. It is hard, right?

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah.

Ali Sandhu: Because we are humans.

Japhet De Oliveira: We are humans. Yeah.

Ali Sandhu: So it takes intentional effort to actually make sure that we have our focus on the right things.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah. I like that a lot. That's great. Beautiful. Well, that was 47. Where next sir?

Ali Sandhu: Let's go 50.

Japhet De Oliveira: 50. All right. Share about, oh, this is great for you. Share about who has influenced you professionally.

Ali Sandhu: Oh boy.

Japhet De Oliveira: Oh yeah, yeah.

Ali Sandhu: There've been a lot of people, but I'm going to go back to high school where my math teacher, Mr. Crisp influenced me to the point where even now when I think about how did I get the courage to do certain things? Where did I get that confidence? I come back to Mr. Crisp.

Japhet De Oliveira: That's great.

Ali Sandhu: Because when I came to this country, I did not speak very good English. This is my sophomore year. I've been here for a year and a half. I'm still learning English, but math is pretty universal. I'm in his class. He always took the time to mentor me, tutor me before class. I would be in his office after class.

Japhet De Oliveira: Wow.

Ali Sandhu: And what topped it off was, at the end of the year, he told me he wanted to come and visit my home. I said, "Mr. Crisp, we lived in labor camps because we were poor, we were immigrants." And I was a little embarrassed for him to come to labor camps, but he insisted he wanted to come visit me, so he did. He came in this nice long Lincoln car in this sort of hood, if you will. He came in and he asked my older brother who spoke good English to translate for my parents, and he told my parents that I want Ali to go to college. They said, "Yeah, he'll go to college." He was afraid that I might start working in the farms, might drop out.

Japhet De Oliveira: Wow, wow.

Ali Sandhu: He said, "Well, I want to pay for Ali's college education."

Japhet De Oliveira: No way.

Ali Sandhu: Yes.

Japhet De Oliveira: Oh my goodness. All right. I'm going to try not to cry. All right.

Ali Sandhu: I cry when I think about his belief in me. So think about here you are 16 years old, new to this country, barely speak English, but then you have someone who believes in you so much so that they think you should go to college and they'll pay for it.

Japhet De Oliveira: Wow.

Ali Sandhu: So my parents out of pride said, "Thank you, but he will go to college." And they made sure I did. And to this day, I think of Mr. Crisp and I'm grateful for him and I pray for him.

Japhet De Oliveira: That's incredible. That's incredible.

Ali Sandhu: Yeah.

Japhet De Oliveira: I'm glad. And you pray for him still. That's beautiful.

Ali Sandhu: Yes. Absolutely.

Japhet De Oliveira: Wow.

Ali Sandhu: Yeah.

Japhet De Oliveira: Wow, Ali. Thank you for sharing because that's inspirational for everybody to think about who they can invest in and care for and love. I like that a lot.

Ali Sandhu: And I remember now one of my passion is to develop new leaders, mentor new leaders. Even from my prior job, I have folks calling me. We meet routinely, just like I reach out to others that I can learn from to pass on what I have learned and benefit others.

Japhet De Oliveira: Oh, that's good. Hey, I appreciate that.

Ali Sandhu: Yeah.

Japhet De Oliveira: All right sir, where next?

Ali Sandhu: 55.

Japhet De Oliveira: 55.

Ali Sandhu: I got to slow down.

Japhet De Oliveira: If you would, share with us what frightens you, something that frightens you.

Ali Sandhu: Good one. I shared with you the most beautiful thing I ever seen. What frightens me is when my kids are out and about, and you hear horrible stories about bad car accidents and things as such. We had a horrible incident where my son, my oldest son, fell off a tree while we were at Balboa Park in San Diego in 2020.

Japhet De Oliveira: Wow.

Ali Sandhu: And he broke his neck and his elbow and we thought that we might have lost him. Even today, as I sit here, I think about that and I get frightened. I get scared and pray to God to protect them, protect the kids no matter where they are. So just this fear of them being out and about and something happening, that's what frightens me.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah. It's amazing, isn't it?

Ali Sandhu: Yeah.

Japhet De Oliveira: Just how much we take on and stays with us. Yeah.

Ali Sandhu: Yeah.

Japhet De Oliveira: No, I know. We love our kids. All right. That was beautiful. Where next then?

Ali Sandhu: 60.

Japhet De Oliveira: 60. All right. When in life have you felt most alone?

Ali Sandhu: When I was in San Francisco for those two and a half years.

Japhet De Oliveira:

Oh yeah, yeah, of course. Yeah.

Ali Sandhu: After work, so I don't drink, I don't go out much, I don't party. None of that. Not yet. Maybe in my later years.

Japhet De Oliveira: You know what? If you've got a track record, maybe I would suggest stick with it. Oh yeah. OK.

Ali Sandhu: So I would go home. I lived in an apartment and that was a first time since college I lived in an apartment, and I would be FaceTiming my kids, FaceTiming my wife all the time. At times, they would probably get tired of me, like, OK, we got to do our stuff. There were those nights that I, in the evenings, I felt pretty alone, hence the urgency to get back to family.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah.

Ali Sandhu: Yeah.

Japhet De Oliveira: No, I understand. That's true. It's always good to be back home.

Ali Sandhu: Yeah.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah. All right. Where next?

Ali Sandhu: 65.

Japhet De Oliveira: 65. Share one word, in one word, how you would describe your past and then unpack that one word.

Ali Sandhu: Blessed. So growing up, we were poor back home. And I say materially poor, but when it came to love, family, joy, we were super rich. And then God had another life in store for us and we came to the States. I never imagined actually being in a car, let alone drive one.

Japhet De Oliveira: Wow.

Ali Sandhu: Because back home, I remember when we were kids, occasionally a car would come in the village. Someone's getting married.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah. Yeah.

Ali Sandhu: We would touch the car and run away as to the owner not getting upset at us.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Ali Sandhu: And then having been blessed with loving family, having been blessed with the most loving, caring, compassionate spouse whom I met in high school, being blessed with parents that gave us endless love, being blessed with four kids, being blessed with the career in which I help others. So every part of my life that I think about in the past, it's blessings. Blessed is the best description. And every day before I ask God for anything, before when I pray, I make sure I first express my gratitude, because sometime I feel guilty. I do. I feel guilty asking because I'm like, God has blessed me with so much, so God, I feel guilty, but I do need this other thing too.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah. That's OK. The God of abundance.

Ali Sandhu: Yes.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah. That's good. That's good. All right. We have time for two more.

Ali Sandhu: OK.

Japhet De Oliveira: Do you want to tell me the two numbers now or do you want to just pick one on the side?

Ali Sandhu: No, let's just go for it.

Japhet De Oliveira: All right. So what are the two numbers then that you'd like to go for?

Ali Sandhu: We're going to go 80 and then 90. I got to go for an A. Otherwise my kids would say-

Japhet De Oliveira: Dad why?

Ali Sandhu: Dad, you always tell us to get an A and you didn't even go for 90.

Japhet De Oliveira: OK. All right. All right. Number 80. How would you like to change in the future?

Ali Sandhu: When I meditate and I pray, I ask God for wisdom, wisdom to understand what I need to understand to make sure that I take care of all of my responsibilities in the best way possible. So there are times that I can get upset or angry over whatever, so I ask God that, give me patience, because if there's any mistake I made, or not if, when I made mistakes in the past, it's often because I was emotional. So that is something that I ask God for and I try to practice in my meditation is to have patience, because sometimes, actually, I would say a lot of the times things don't go as you envision and nature doesn't always follow how you want it to go.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah. That's true.

Ali Sandhu: Right. So that would be one area where I'll continue to focus and try to transform.

Japhet De Oliveira: That is good for everyone.

Ali Sandhu: Yeah.

Japhet De Oliveira: I like that. That's good. All right, our last question, number 90. Tell us about a time that you overcame something that was seemingly insurmountable, an obstacle that you thought, wow, I don't know how, and how did you overcome that?

Ali Sandhu: So I tore my ACL in 2008.

Japhet De Oliveira: Wow.

Ali Sandhu: I was chasing my son at the park and I jumped. I tried to go this way, but my knee went this way. The most painful injury I've ever had. Actually the only major injury. And up to that point, I would run all the time. I would run 10 miles, 12 miles, 15 miles. Five mile was no big deal. I always loved running, and after ACL, I developed chondromalacia and I couldn't run.

Japhet De Oliveira: Wow.

Ali Sandhu: And I was so bummed. Even my wife, we would be driving by and someone's running by the road. She goes, honey, I know exactly what you're thinking. You wish you could run.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah. Yeah.

Ali Sandhu: Then I went to my orthopedic surgeon, one of them, and he said, I told them my reason for not depression, but I said, "Something I wish I could do again would be to run."

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah.

Ali Sandhu: He said, "Ali, lose 10 pounds and you can run again." I said, "Really?" Sure enough, I lost 10 pounds and I started running and now I run.

Japhet De Oliveira: Wow.

Ali Sandhu: I don't run as much, three to five miles generally.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah.

Ali Sandhu: A couple weekends ago I went for 10-mile run, but my knees were sore.

Japhet De Oliveira: Yeah. Yeah.

Ali Sandhu: So I physically, that seemed like it would never happen again, but I'm able to run again, so I'm grateful.

Japhet De Oliveira: That is good. That is good. Well done, well done. Fantastic.

Ali Sandhu: Yeah.

Japhet De Oliveira: Ali, thank you so much for your time. I want to encourage everybody who's listening to do the same thing. Get a cup of coffee, a tea or some water, sit down with a friend, look at them, ask good questions, learn, because we all get changed through these stories. Yeah. And I appreciate your stories. My goodness, Ali. there's so many more I think you could share about that would be encouraging, so thank you for your commitment.

Ali Sandhu: Thank you.

Japhet De Oliveira: Thank you for your time and God bless to everybody who's listening and we'll see you at another time.

Ali Sandhu: Thank you so much. This was wonderful.

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